Please forgive me if you feel bad. One must learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. He is completely indifferent to the demands of the senses of the material body. It happens over and over again Thank you. It is nonsense. Srimad-Bhagavatam Set Original 30 Volumes Available Again! with respect your humble servant. It is great service to prabhupada !!!!! buddhih sa partha tamasi Bhakti Vikasa Swami, who presents himself as a strict follower, is lobbying the GBC to add ‘strict following’ to their currently nonexistent list of qualifications ISKCON gurus need to have. I request you to define liberation so tat ill have clarity its my clarion call to you. The only way to become Krishna conscious is by surrendering to a bona fide spiritual master and serving him. That's my life and full-time occupation now really. I look back at the take-over of Christianity by the Roman Catholic church and wonder if ISKCON may be on the same route. So you can know it very clearly that a conditioned soul can not help you to become liberated… He is bound up by the modes of material nature and the bound can not free the bound. And it also means redefining the philosophy of Krishna consciousness into something that is no longer logical. They say “the people need gurus, someone has to do this service, so I am doing this service. He can see what is happening, and will correct everything in due course of time. Now I'm just hankering to once again see the world chant Hare Krishna, dance and feast and float away in the ecstasy of Lord Caitanya's Sankirtana movement as it did in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. A genuine guru has absolutely no need to obtain the approval of a group of conditioned souls like the GBC. This is another idea that will only be accepted by sudras. Do they even exist today? Of course Hiranyakasipu could not kill Visnu, but he did become very, very strong through his ‘strict following.’, One who really does strictly follow everything Srila Prabhupada says is a pure devotee, a liberated soul and a perfect spiritual master, that is a different thing… and that is very rare…, Of course, the GBC will never add ‘strict following’ to their non-existent list of qualifications for becoming an ISKCON guru. This is another argument the ISKCON gurus put. Bhagavad-gita 18.32. Someone who is not liberated does not have the capacity to help you become liberated. Even his envious godbrothers, ultimately they also had to admit that Srila Prabhupada was specially empowered. Of course. ISKCON and HKM both have concocted their own interpretations of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Sankhya, derived from the word meaning “to count,” is a philosophical system of analysing matter established by Kapila. The main mission of ISKCON is to encourage all members of human society to dedicate at least some portion of their time and energy to this process of hearing and chanting about God. Hare Krishna. Similarly the spirit soul can ‘merge’ with the brahmajoti, the brahman effulgence of Krishna. That is real liberation, that is our natural, eternal constitutional position. That's it really. So generally those who have accepted a bogus guru will be unable to take to Krishna consciousness for many, many, many lifetimes. Give pranams from far away. Thank you Prabhu for you insightful look at the current guru (so-called)system that is polluting Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON. But of course none of these ‘Guru Sastra Research’ committees can ever come up with anything that justifies what the ISKCON gurus are doing. Due to domestic work, I attended last 2 days. This atomic soul is situated within the heart, and spreads its influence all over the body of the embodied living entities. There is only ISKCON near me with no other options. jade krsna bhrama kori’ krsna-seva kore na ?a, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul. Even when Srila Prabhupada was physically on the planet his society was even then riddled with rascals and envious people only now we have those same rascals in positions of power. And Krsna says, “One who understand Me rightly, he becomes immediately free.” Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. This does not mean we can neglect the fire sacrifice and make no endeavor to carry out this as he also directed…why neglect it? Because it is insane. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. So it appears to have merged but actually there is no merging. The guru himself is in illusion. Sri Jiva Goswami advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ECCLESIASTICAL CONVENTIONS. So it is not that anyone can just announce that he is now a ritvik and now accepting disciples on Prabhupada’s behalf…. And without surrender there is no Krishna consciousness. If we take this attitude we will not be mislead. – The Science of Self Realization, Chapter Two, Choosing a Spiritual Master – “Saints and Swindlers”. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. The same thing also happened in the Gaudiya Matha after Srila Bhaktsiddhanta, Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual master, disappeared. They are bound by the modes of goodness, passion and ignorance which are compared with three very strong ropes twisted together. The ultimate goal is to develop love for Krishna and be engaged in the service of Krishna, this is devotional service, this is the ultimate goal…. However it is up to the disciples to surrender and actually follow the process that Prabhupada gave them. I’m sure the demons are quite unhappy with this article . Srila Prabhupada many times was very much into preaching rigid sadhana bhakti but also very much into preaching “you can do it in a second if you understand”. He means getting out of bed before 4:00 in the morning and practicing some austerities and not eating too much and following the regulative principles and chanting 16 rounds a day. How are the “conditioned souls” test me and come to the conclusion that I am a liberated person? Madhya 8.128]. Of course ultimately these rejections of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and the introduction of concocted new ideas by the GBC are all centered around the main ISKCON deviation, and that is the ISKCON guru tattva… Actually there is no ISKCON guru philosophy that can be supported by any sastric evidence. I have recently came to know that Hare Krishna Movement is seperated from ISKCON 10 years ago,and when asked about ISKCON,they have told the same as you have mentioned.But I heard from few devotees of ISKCON that the HKM movement is bogus and false ISKCON. Whats this land becoming of oh dasa. In theory it is simple but the application can be somewhat difficult…, Of course there are ‘sincere’ people everywhere. hare Krishna. This is not real Vaishnavism but a type of spiritual poison. Because actual spiritual master, actual Vaisnava acharya, he rises like the sun, and when the sun is rising, everyone can see it. Of course there are some very obvious points. Srila Bhaktsiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura said that after the empowered spiritual master disappears there is nothing that can be done to stop the ‘Putanans’ [demons] from taking over the pulpits. Madhya 8.128] The verse doesn’t say anything bout liberation. Hare krsna… All Gloria’s to Sri Guru Gouranga !!! If you continue browsing the site, you agree to the use of cookies on this website. But a devotee hates the thought of this impersonal liberation. Read all the small books, then Bhagavad-gita, then Krsna Book, then Nectar of Devotion, then Nectar of Instruction, then Srimad-Bhagavatam, then Caitanya-caritamrta, then start again. The do not like it. Animals and other creatures don’t. You have Srila Prabhupada. In addition he has to know the science of Krishna… There are many things. There is no hurry, God has a plan for everyone. They are the worst elements in society and they create the greatest danger and devastation in people’s spiritual lives. Love, Devotion, Faith and Surrender will ensure that each sincere lover of God ends up nearer to their Beloved. ISKCON had commentary on MahaBharata. Srila Prabhupada has given us the greatest gift. Your servant, In this way they have rejected Prabhupada. In the same way god’s divine love truly breaks into our reality, and is slowly covered up by the immune system of maya. We are the soul, or the conscious life force within our bodies, and we are completely different from our bodies, which are only highly complex machines. They also rejected his instructions in regard to the guru issue and other issues and in so doing disconnected themselves from the disciplic succession and became a dead branch on the Caitanya Tree. But generally speaking you are correct. A bound soul can NEVER be a true Guru. It seems like whenever any group comes close to god within a generation it’s become fragmented and looses it’s internal spirit. More than 1,800 Hours of NEW PRABHUPADA AUDIO! Which are essential text of the vedic scriptures. The human body is the highest and most elevated of all bodies. So you can imagine a man completely tied up with these three very strong ropes. The faults we see in others will one day come back to us. So I got this very long email of which many things I do not understand. How Awake Are We? So take it easy and keep your love of God close in your heart and soul … , Do everything for Him, dedicate all the results to Him, and You will certainly reach Him. Hare Krishna founder A.C. Bhaktvedanta Swami formulated a specific bhakti yoga system drawn heavily from the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition, but formulated for Westerners to understand. The more you read them the more Krishna will reveal Himself to you…. He called this system Krishna Consciousness, since it aimed to bring about a state of constant awareness and service to Krishna. Are all disciples of srila Prabhupada are bound? So many gurus (they were never really gurus to begin with) have fallen and left pain in their wake but what of those ‘disciples’ that were left behind? You are not marrying the priest, he is just performing the marriage ceremony. Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Did srila Prabhupada not empower any of his disciples to act as guru? It is what departs from the body at the time of death and, in the subtle body, carries its mental impressions, desires and tendencies, along with the karmic results of its activities from one body to another. Krishna consciousness, pure love of Krishna. They are all misleading their followers regardless of how well they can parrot the ABCs of the philosophy. And the worst hell is awaiting those engaged in the “guru business.” You can read all about it in Sri Isopanisad. Guru cannot be a conditioned soul. Me i’m from a brahmin family in india, since i was a kid i had witnessed various sort of puja, and many forms of them. It is not a formality. ISKCON was founded in 1966 in New York City by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.Its core beliefs are based on the Hindu scriptures, particularly the Bhagavad Gita and the Bhagavata Purana, and the … Your email address will not be published. They absolutely do not require ISKCON gurus to follow anything strictly. I have not been initiated but I have been a diciple of Srila Prabhupada. But even though ISKCON do not like it and they want you to accept a conditioned soul as your guru, if you do this that will destroy your spiritual life. So there it is absolutely impossible for someone to be a guru if he has not heard from the proper source, and that means he only repeats the things he has heard from the proper source, and he has to be brahma nistham, fixed on the brahman platform, liberated. They are a more difficult to spot. Vaishnavism means 'worship of Vishnu', and Gauḍa refers to the area where this particular branch of Vaishnavism originated, in the Gauda region of West Bengal. This many ksatriya sadhanas and fake brahmins don’t understand, being completely stuck in their personal brahmajyoti. Srila Prabhupada on Initiation [compilation of quotes], Book Distribution Is the Hare Krishnas Most Important Activity. Therefore one has to select a spiritual master whose order, carrying, you’ll not commit a mistake. He is eager for us to return to him, so you see in actuality there is nothing that can hinder our path to him if we love him truly. Of course it may still look like a branch of the tree and have some of the external trappings of ‘Krishna consciousness’ but the real substance of devotional service, love of God, you can not get from ISKCON because they do not have it themselves. An unqualified guru may have some tiny creeper of the bhakti plant in his heart but if it is not mature, if it is not flowering and producing fruits, there are no seeds so he can not give the seed of the plant of bhakti to anyone. And even if they get caught that is also OK as long as they can cover it up and the disciples don’t find out… They knew Prabhuvisnu “Swami” was collecting guru daksine from his followers and going to Thailand and Bangkok and spending it on prostitutes. When Waking Up is Falling Asleep, "The Church supports the use of vaccinations", The Soul of Gospel Music Explored in New Netflix Series "Voices of Fire", Seven Ways to Think About Christian Mysticism. One who knows in truth how Krsna is appearing, how Krsna is disappearing, he is learned. It remains as an individual shining spirit soul within the brahmajoti. Very well-reasoned. Srila Prabhupada says this: Reporter: But the bad gurus… He is already empowered by his guru and Krishna. Afterall Lord Krishna is the spiritual master of all…. The soul (you) is in the heart region. Much as a star emanates light and heat, Krishna emanated life from himself. Desh, kaal, prasanga (country, times, context) along with varna-ashrama-dharma has to be considered and aligned with Dharma (the Universal Dharma) while accepting a guru as well a desciple. These bogus gurus are doing so much harm and as Srila Prabhupada states in the Sri Isopanasad, the worst hellish planet is waiting for them once they finish their ‘guru business…’. If some organization like ISKCON decides to reject Srila Prabhupada who is the representative of the disciplic succession and through whom the Krishna consciousness is flowing to them through, then they have disconnected themselves from the Krishna consciousness. One must inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. So this is not satisfying in the long-run because we are all eternally spiritual persons and we need to have some activities and we need to associate with others. All Gloria’s to jagad guru Srila Prabhupada !!!!!! So we have many examples of this. We have our individuality and our personalty and we are engaged in the service of Krishna. So with this background we can understand why ISKCON is quite desperate to keep their existing ‘guru tattva’ (anyone can be an ISKCON guru as long as no one on the GBC objects to them becoming a guru). Every ISKCON temple strongly preaches that the guru does not have to be a liberated soul, he does not have to be free from the bondage of the three modes of material nature. Life does not arise from a particular combination of material elements as some modern scientists theorize. Best HD Prabhuapda Video So Far!!! Now, suppose if you accept a wrong person as spiritual master, and if you, if he guides you wrongly, then YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS SPOILED. He is learned in the spiritual science, and for him, as soon as he becomes learned, well-versed in the spiritual science, Krsna science, he immediately becomes liberated. Your article is very good because it cautions others not to spoil their lives by following people who are basically making their living off of the temples and Srila Prabhupada’s one time movement: “One cannot deny the order of a spiritual master. And if there are no symptoms of bona fide spiritual master, he is just a cheater, a demon, a rascal. It is not material in any way. That differentiation is only possible for one who has reached the platform of madhyama-adhikari. I humbly want to convey you that it is not only the position of ISKON, it is happening with other so called organisation which is very proud of propagating Krishna Conciousness Movement other than ISKON. Liberation is the best the impersonalists and mayavadis can hope for. It’s a machine. Can u give me permission to publish some of u article in Spanish ,??????? These are the worst people in society, the bogus gurus engaged in the guru business, and they will go to the worst hellish planet on the completion of their guru business with their bogus disciples. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. Hari bol! Such devotees, who are so unfortunate to surrender to a bogus guru, are in a very difficult position. And anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. What I heard was allot of dissatisfaction and probably allot of truth. ISKCON teaches that a person may attain such a state through the yogic system of bhakti (devotion), what members of the movement also call Krishna Consciousness. Conditioned souls in the material world are not free. They are not initiated into Krishna consciousness and because they have been cheated by one bogus guru then it is very difficult for them to surrender to anyone. These are preaching’s from the disciples of ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada — The Acharya Part 1 — Film now in HD 1080p Video! So surrender to Srila Prabhupada and hear from him, he is a pure devotee of Krishna and he can guide you properly. Since then I have been chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, reading and distributing Srila Prabhupada's books and preaching as much as I can. I go to nearby …….. Mutt temple where I live. It is the ones who point these truths out. He has no permanent relationship with the disciple. I m trying with all my energy to follow in his lotus footsteps by reading all the books which is the most valuable gift one could ever have. It is completely useless to accept a conditioned soul as your spiritual master. Then, when the time is right, they are placed in another physical frame which properly accommodates the … According to Darwin, physical bodies evolved until they reached the human form. One should completely avoid these people: “However, those who propagate bhagavad-bhakti as the highest dharma–yet behave against the principles of suddha-bhakti–can be especially harmful to us. I read the article and I am with you on this issue. Their idea is everything goes as long as the gurus don’t get caught. Thank You for imparting your knowledge to me. Actually, a guru cannot be bad, for if someone is bad, he cannot be a guru. by Madhudvisa dasa | Full size image. The actual definition of a third-class devotee, a neophyte devotee, who is above a conditioned soul, is that he can not differentiate between who is a devotee, who is envious and who is innocent. Because one who has understood Krsna in truth, he is liberated person. So naturally we find ISKCON also reject the very basic and fundamental teachings of Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita: “Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. “It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the sastric injunctions. It is one of the required qualifications. Due to time and circumstances since GBC do not accept performing the sacrifice by a ritvik and the disciple is Srila Prabhupadas….I see no reason that the the remainder intelligent disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are able and qualified can develop an organized structure where some do act as ritvik since Srila Prabhupada said we can add more ritviks…there is no reason to stop it on the basis that initiation is there anyways (which is absolutely true). The so-called ‘liberated’ impersonalist can experience only the eternality and knowledge aspects of liberation. A genuine devotee does not cowtow to mundane governing bodies like the GBC, which have at least deviated from the acaryas by concocting this “guru by GBC” impediment. And all of us eternal souls have a common father, Sri Krishna, the Supreme Soul of souls and the Lord within all of ours hearts. This is the example of all the acaryas. Actually this ‘liberation’ of the mayavadis and impersonalists is not permanent. Where is the solution in this writing of yours? So without the guidance of a pure devotee of Krishna such spiritual organizations invariably end up perverting and covering the original teachings which they are supposed to be distributing. the rescuer has to be liberated…, And of course, if you have been reading Srila Prabhupada’s books, you will know that one can not become a devotee until he is liberated. So ISKCON ignore, reject, misinterpret and twist everything Prabhupada says about the guru to try and ‘prove’ that conditioned souls can become gurus. The nature of the soul can be understood by considering an example of a car. Honestly I find it ridiculous that one has to even write an article like this. The ritviks are, as I have written, also lying trying to present their interpretation of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, which is also an incorrect interpretation. Of course this means rejecting everything Srila Prabhupada and Krishna teach us about guru. It begins, develops, deteriorates and vanishes. Needless to say, the others soon got him to put it back. This could be a sign of that divine love, cause from then on my focus has turned towards the inifinte, the ultimate truth, Krishna. These include lives spent as humans, animals, plants, and even as beings living on distant planetary systems far from earth. So if a “guru” is not liberated he is a cheater. And the reality is hardly anyone is prepared to surrender. “The soul is atomic in size and can be perceived by perfect intelligence. So ISKCON gurus have sincere followers for sure, but they are following people who are admittedly conditioned souls and a conditioned soul does not have the power to free another conditioned soul. In addition to its immateriality, the self possesses another central characteristic: it is eternal. But there are also non-devotees in the guise of devotees who do appear to follow the regulative principles and make a show of chanting Hare Krishna.